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Post by pHysteria on Feb 1, 2014 6:30:47 GMT
Alright, here we go. I would like to have some sort of a staff position on Sabotage. Not for my own personal benefit, but because I see quite a few spammers and possible hackers on the server. A lot of players are complaining about these types of people; take dhjr for example, with his constant DDOS threats and nothing being done about it ( video here). Also, I think Therobodavo should either be demoted, or someone should talk some sense into him. He's a good Helper, but he worries more about himself, his faction, and his YouTube channel more than the server, players, and all around stability of the community. Steiny12 is somewhat the same way, but in the sense that he is afraid to take charge. He has seen the video of, and seen for himself, dhjr threatening to DDOS, and has done nothing about it, wanting to consult xXidol first. I recognise this as a good idea as a Moderator, but xXidol is not thoroughly active on the server, so it could take some time to talk to him about it. Steiny12 could really work on his leadership skills. yellowlight2 was temporarily banned for two days for use of a hacked client. I really believe permanent bans should be reserved for hackers, advertisers, and donation charge-backs. Temporary bans are for small rule-breakers, and spammers should only receive a mute, never a temporary ban of any sort. If someone is believed to be hacking, this meaning that it's not blatantly obvious, they should share screens with a staff member. If the player refuses to do so, or logs out to uninstall any hacked client, it should be an immediate ban. When screen shared, if the staff member finds any sort of hacked client (in the .minecraft versions folder, and a full computer search), they should ban the player. If someone hacks on a server once and gets only a temporary ban, they're very likely to come back and get right back at it. I personally have owned many servers, and am well aware of what a staff position on a larger server like Sabotage means. RegnumXD is the only other person on the server that I believe should be a staff member, as he is very active and always helping out new or confused players. We are both online for a minimum of around five hours a day, which is more than I've seen of the current staff members. I'm not saying they should be demoted; they're doing okay, but they need to have a little more determination and committment to the server. I will not treat myself or players differently based on ranks, previous actions, language used, ethnicity, or anything relative to those sorts. Everyone online is a living, breathing human, and should be treated as such. This probably isn't important, but I type at around 100 WPM, meaning I could mute spammers fairly quickly. I normally mute spammers on my server for five minutes, and if they continue, one hour. Permanent mutes don't ever even cross my mind, as they are pretty pointless. Players who avoid bans by logging into an alternate account, or avoid mutes by spamming messages, should be temporarily banned for six to twelve hours. /msg ** (sends a message to all online players) and commands like this should be a thirty minute mute, as that will tell people not to use it, but without severe consequences that are undeserved. I feel that adding another, more active staff member or two would really help the server community bond and grow. It's the harsh truth that 80% of the Sabotage community are rude, immature, and straight to conclusions that usually only make sense in their own minds. To be quite honest, I believe an Administrator or Owner/Co Owner position would best suit me. I really enjoy working with plugins and the technical side of servers, so console access would allow me to show my full potential. Some plugins I've developed include a fully customised kit PVP plugin, for a server I was previously a staff member on. I'm a decent builder, and use nearly perfect grammar for refurbishing configuration files with some mistakes. Grammar mistakes on the server add a certain element of unprofessionalism to the feel of the server. I have nearly a year of experience with plugin configuration and development, so I will be able to create custom plugins for the server if needed. An extremely basic ".sendMessage" plugin could be used with a chat clearing command, followed by " A staff member has cleared everyone's chat." or some other variant. This could be used mainly for advertisers, and in extreme cases of disrespectful spammers. This will not be a poll, as the server is not a democracy, everything is xXidol's decision. However, you are free to comment any questions or concerns you have about this post. Thank you for reading. |
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Post by therobodavo on Feb 1, 2014 15:25:25 GMT
"Also, I think Therobodavo should either be demoted, or someone should talk some sense into him. He's a good Helper, but he worries more about himself, his faction, and his YouTube channel more than the server, players, and all around stability of the community."
First, I worry about myself because if I have nothing then I feel like my videos will suck and I want to still have fun.
Second, same as above I try to run my own faction so I make rules, and again I try to have fun.
Third, I get spammed more about people asking if I'm recording rather than helping them with issues on the server. When someone asks me about an issue on the server, I try to help them the base I can. When people ask me about my youtube, usually I ignore them or try to not talk about it a ton since my youtube only has like 377 subs.
Fourth, what you say about yourself as being suited for Co-Owner/Admin is stupid. I help xXidol a ton with plugins and stuff because I want to be able to play on a server that doesn't turn into a mineage at the current state it is in. I try telling xXidol my personal opinions/ideas for the server, and I tell him what other players tell me to change on the server. When there is an idea that I have, usually I tell xxidol to ask the server/ make a forum post with a pool on it.
Fifth, Steiny should be helper/moderator at max, but as it is I think he's getting admin just because he's moderator and xXidol is adding more staff members. I've alread ytalked to steiny about my feelings with staff and the admin rank and such, but to be honest you should not be staff.. and especially admin or co-owner because you always think you're right. I'm not going to go on and rant about how you act like you're always right, but the fact is you're immatrue at times when you think you are actually doing the mature thing. you remind me of UsernameHere, who acted a lot like you. The only difference is that he could take a joke, and really didn't stress over things like you.
Sixth, why would I need some sense talked into me? I'm not only sick, but instead of reording/ working on my server I spend hours on sabotage helping out and helping xxidol out with plugins or just things that the players want.
Lastly, I have already recommended a clear chat plugin to xXidol, but I don't know if any of them work since they aren't updated. If you can code a plugin for that, I'm sure xXidol would love that.
So in the end, I love how you really have no clue how much time I spend helping the server over my youtube or even my servers...
EDIT. I also think hackers should be perm banned, but what you said about them logging off is stupid and it can be unfair at many instances because that isn't proof.
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Post by pHysteria on Feb 1, 2014 17:55:06 GMT
I really don't stress about things on the server, and I'd like you to give me a few examples if I'm mistaken. I can take a joke, I don't get offended easily...and if a hacker is asked to screenshare multiple times and refuses, then logs out, they should be banned. I've seen UsernameHere online a few times, but never really talked to him, so I don't know what you mean by saying I act like him.
Secondly, you're not sick. You have a little cold at most. Take a Tums or Benadryl (pharmacy drugs, not prescription) to stop vomiting if that's an issue, and take some Florax or Imodium to stop any diarrhea, and grow a pair.
If you have your own server, you should work on it first instead of Sabotage. Get your server completely finished and released, maybe get some good advertising out, then worry about other servers you are a staff member on.
"So in the end, I love how you really have no clue how much time I spend helping the server over my youtube or even my servers..."
I see you online maybe an hour or two a day, and most of that time is spent yelling at someone, PVPing, or AFK. You don't abuse, but that doesn't necessarily make you a good staff member. You worry too much about your faction. It's just a game. The sooner you realise that it doesn't matter, the sooner you'll be better at what you're supposed to be doing, which is moderating player and community activity.
Neither you or Steiny12 are online during the server's most populated times. I see you both on for a short period later at night when there are ten to twenty people online, and you're just PVPing, so don't try to tell me about "how much time you spend helping the server".
There are constant spammers when you ARE online, and you do nothing about them. I don't know if you have muting permissions, but it seems like a common command for a Helper rank to have. Usually, lower staff ranks have /mute and /kick at a minimum, and sometimes /tempban. Steiny12 is opped, but still a Moderator...what? That makes no difference between his current status and if he was an Administrator. He is a bit more active than you, but not by much...he comes on at around the same time, but keeps a better eye on chat.
Thank you for replying, but I don't want to turn this into a huge argument.
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Post by m1nekraft on Feb 1, 2014 17:58:08 GMT
i found this interesting to read  |
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Post by therobodavo on Feb 1, 2014 18:06:05 GMT
I'm just not going to respond, because this will turn into another redpanda vs. therobodavo post. Lol I'm on from 1-20 people average to usually when it averages 40-60 people (60 max usually). And again, I spend hours helping xXidol with the server before it even opened. Again, I don't worry about my faction much really since you know it's full of people who barely play and all I care about is positive power. Sorry, I kinda like not getting overclaimed. And to talk about how active people are.. I'm sick and have been shivering cold for the past day. I try to get on even when I'm sick and all I get from you is that I'm not active... It's just funny how I'm on for like 3 hours straight and you aren't on. When you get on, I'm sometimes on since I try to be other places, not just on sabotage. Again, the fact that you make fun of someone who is sick is just immature. You're proving my point by the fact of you not believeing that I'm sick. You think you're right, and if it's a joke then it's just a stupid one to be honest.
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Post by therobodavo on Feb 1, 2014 18:07:33 GMT
and also I tried getting yellow perm banned but xXidol said to only temp ban hackers. I stood up for something you told me and then you don't like me? I'm done.
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Post by BobbyoLobbyo on Feb 1, 2014 18:20:37 GMT
All i can say is:
► I agree that hackers should be perm banned
► pHysteria you cant say that he is not sick. He told me that he was sick like 3 days ago. He didnt make that up on the spot.
► pHysteria i dont think you can just ask for Co-Owner that fast.
► I agree that we do need more staff in the sabotage community.
► Robo isnt on all the time, but he does things that you dont see as a player. Like helps xXidol with plugins and things.
► Steiny and Robo are "okay" staff when they are on but, it feels like they are never on.
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Post by pHysteria on Feb 1, 2014 18:27:46 GMT
You're being rude about nothing...plus you said "I'm just not going to reply" then went on to write another paragraph. I'm not having to try to be the mature one here...I'm just saying what I would say as me. Saying "Sorry, I kinda like not getting overclaimed." is just sarcastic and unnecessary. I'm sorry that you feel sick, but you're not doing any better sitting around than you would be at school or at work. There are different kinds of medicine for a reason. Real sickness is constantly vomiting, or not being able to eat anything without throwing up immediately afterwards. Shivering is not sick, shivering just means you've been spoiled your whole life and think "wow, this must be what those starving kids in Africa are going through". I'm not exactly trying to be mean/rude, but come on, dude. Have some dignity. On another note, I give you props for staying active on the forums, coming to new posts and replying to old ones, as well you should. It's expected of you; it doesn't mean you're going above and beyond expectations. Saying you helped with plugins before this reset doesn't really mean anything. Plugin configuration is VERY far from complicated, and you can find a seven to ten minute tutorial on YouTube for almost every plugin, so that wasn't really necessary. If you're talking about developing plugins, which I doubt because Sabotage has no customs, then I give you a little more credit. Simple plugins are easy to code, and once you start to figure out how everything works, it gets easier as you go. (Off topic, skip to next paragraph) Take Mineplex One in the Quiver for example. It's a few teleportation, ignore death state, and send message strings. I give them props for the block manipulation for the timer in all their minigame lobbies, but the plugin itself has been replicated multiple times. The reason I even applied was because a few people, not a lot, but a few, were saying "If anyone deserves Mod, it's pHysteria or RegnumXD" ( here) which I fully agree with about RegnumXD. Feel free to continue to argue your point, I'll reply as you wish. |
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Post by pHysteria on Feb 1, 2014 18:30:39 GMT
BobbyoLobbyo, I wasn't trying to imply that he made it up, and I have no way of knowing if he is actually sick or not...but most kids fake sick so often that they feel like they have a reason to miss school or something when they get a little tummy ache.
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Post by therobodavo on Feb 1, 2014 19:16:41 GMT
just saying that's exactly what most parents think, and I even asked my dad if that is what he thought. My dad is also sick, so it isn't very pleasant for me atm. Also, as of barely getting any sleep because im sick and having to deal with people like you and a couple of other people, I'm not very happy. It's like if you had to work a night shift when you usually don't, you're mad about something and have a short temper. I know multiple people who have to do that and when you have a customer come up to you have complain, it doesn't end well.
About me being active, I'm the most active person you will find on forums. When I was mod on mineage, I was super active on the forums. On a couple of other servers I was also active on the forums, and guess what. I'm still active on here. The Server does need more staff, and on this map I haven't been super active due to the fact that I'm sick and at school I've had a lot of homework. Also, I've been busy with other thingsfor the first time in a while... so give me a break.
Also, I'm not just shivering, that's just something I tend to notice. I'm a wimp when it comes to being sick yes, but that's no reason to go and make fun of me for it while complaining about me.
Also, I just helped xXidol with plugin ideas which yes, many other people could have. The thing I did was I had dedication to help him. When you're looking for staff, you want to see dedicated people. Just saying, people who say "I would make a good Admin/Co-Owner" most likely aren't dedicated or realize how servers work and how there's more to it than just making people staff. Idk, I'm rambling, but you really need to just stop complaining about staff, especially when you're dealing with someone who is sick and has to do a bunch of homework now to catch up on.
If you really don't like me as a staff member, please post what I do wrong with some actual proof because Idk how I only care about my youtube/faction/myself due to the fact that I go out of my way to help with the server.
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Post by pHysteria on Feb 1, 2014 21:28:49 GMT
I don't mind you as a staff member, you just don't seem to do your job as much as you should. I usually just see you online PVPing or AFK. I'm not making fun of you for being sick, I know it can be rough sometimes, but the actuality is that you're not helping anything by complaining about it.
It's been proven that the only reason people even need sleep is because we get sleepy, so not getting much sleep really isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be. I usually go to bed around 2-4 AM on school nights, and I'm perfectly fine the next day.
I said you were active on the forums, not inactive. You're defending nothing there.
Staff members are supposed to be more mature than the players, and ignore them when they're being rude, disrespectful, or just plain stupid...which you're obviously not doing. You keep coming back to bag on me a little more, complain about being "sick" and make up excuses for being inactive. You're not dedicated; if you were, you'd be on a lot more. Dedication means working through adversity, like being sick, and although I agree that homework should always come first, you should make time for your other responsibilities. Get a planner, make a schedule. It helps a lot more than you'd think.
You shouldn't be a staff member if you have a short temper when you're not feeling well. Staff should always be extremely patient and understanding of the players, not just make up excuses to be bratty.
Your turn.
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Post by therobodavo on Feb 1, 2014 22:27:58 GMT
You're the one complaining, I'm just saying my side. I don't get payed, this isn't a legit job. I'm not mean to players usually, even when they yell at me or cuss at me and so on. You have been complaning and let's be honest, I should be talking back. Ok, let's get over that. But if you say steiny is a better staff member, guess who opped nyalon and messed up the server.
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Post by pHysteria on Feb 1, 2014 23:32:41 GMT
Well, for one, you ARE talking back...secondly, I never said anything about Steiny being a better staff member than you. He opped Nyalon for a few minutes, and it didn't mess up the server in any way from what I've heard. I know that you don't get paid, but you should still try your best. You don't get paid to go to school; that doesn't mean you should just quit. Can we drop this now?
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Post by therobodavo on Feb 1, 2014 23:45:14 GMT
crap I said should, I meant shouldn't. That was my bad with typing. I'm not mad it just makes me laugh. Also you're forced to go to school.
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Post by regnumxd on Feb 2, 2014 2:02:42 GMT
I Agree There Needs To Be More Staff, There Was No Staff Earlier Today When People Were Spamming /msg ** And It Got Annoying Fast...
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